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godel2 | 3 years ago Reply Link me
Last week discovered that I have a green tea allergy. The multivitamin I've been taking for the last 3 years contains green tea extract. Symptoms of allergy: anxiety and hyperactivity... suppose that explains a lot.

Been off the multivitamin for about 6 days now and I'm calmer at least. DNB performance has also stabilized (smaller fluctuations).

More good news: Used to have some trouble with picture 9-back, tested today and did alright, felt natural. Hope it stays this way. :-P
vast | 3 years ago Reply
Turns that out I'm allergic to coffee too. So it sucks that I've been unintentionally consuming allergens which end up ramping up my anxiety levels. I hope by staying off the stuff my productivity will eventually rise. Also, even though I've performed quite well, visiting this website usually depresses the hell out of me. I think this is by caused the superficial nature of my identity here. The boasting and all that. Not a big deal I know, but for some reason it's just been nagging at me lately. Cya
vast | 3 years ago Reply
Ditto on the depression. At times I feel depressed when playing games here and at other sites. In my case I'm very sensitive to failure (not every game/trial goes well). Expecting to perform well every game is definitely unrealistic because after all we're only human. The negative thoughts that arise after too many consecutive failures are just so overwhelming that I lose sight of the fact that I'm only human and failure is just a part of life. What's worse is that I have high functioning autism and because of it I'm kind of OCD with mental exercises, problems, etc. Instead of taking breaks when things aren't going well and thinking objectively about the situation I'll continue to play until my eyes damn near bleed which drives me into an even deeper depression.

BTW Cyberiad, what program are you enrolled in?
moeman | 3 years ago Reply
At school? I'm a physics major.
vast | 3 years ago Reply
Though I might just switch to cs.
vast | 3 years ago Reply
No, that has nothing to do with being depressed. Just jog more. You'll feel better.
? | 3 years ago Reply
I'm not exactly depressed, just thinking about this place really bothers me. I was using my scores here as an ego boost. Attempting to use elementary reaction times as confidence builders is pretty pathetic.
And I was trying to create distance. I think it's working.
vast | 3 years ago Reply
Don't sweat it - the whole point of playing games is to do well at them and thereby boost one's confidence, having fun along the way.

As for what your doing well does to the other players...well, your times are so ridiculous that they can easily dismiss you as a freak. ;-)
cevapcici | 3 years ago Reply
Which is why turning it into a "game" was a poor decision.
vast | 3 years ago Reply
sorry, lost my wits
tooone it down a notch
vast | 3 years ago Reply
uuuuuuuuh?
? | 3 years ago Reply
cyberiad!cyberiad!

:D :D :D
vast | 3 years ago Reply
Ritalin, perhaps?
? | 3 years ago Reply
Yea I guess I have been somewhat depressed over the past few weeks. I think I've recovered though. I'm feeling tons better.
[ drug free :) ]
vast | 3 years ago Reply
What are the specific mechanisms of your allergy? Sounds interesting.

So far that I'm aware, I have none, but if I do, it would be good to get tested...
? | 3 years ago Reply
Yes I sorta wish I had been tested earlier. Though it really wasn't that bad.

Dunno about the mechanism... :)
vast | 3 years ago Reply
There was recent research showing wellbutrin stimulates neurogenesis in the hippocampus. Not sure if that is generally good for the brain, but it's good if you are deficient in neurons in the hippocampus...
kevin | 3 years ago Reply
hello will you chat with me kevin
BrainMaster2 | 3 years ago Reply
^excess of hippos in the neurocampus?
vast | 3 years ago Reply
more like excess of dorkons in the Puerile Campus
? | 3 years ago Reply
I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
vast | 3 years ago Reply
excuse me...
vast | 3 years ago Reply
mental exercise. (you already knew about this one)
physical exercise.
calorie restricted diet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11119686?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_SingleItemSupl.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=5&log$=relatedreviews&logdbfrom=pubmed
godel2 | 3 years ago Reply
the last one enhances reward sensitivity...

if i starved myself, ran, then did n-back for food rewards only with scores over 90%...

pavlov chuckles from the grave.
medicalstudent | 3 years ago Reply
There was a post awhile back by someone asking for help with finding a lifestyle that would promote neuron growth. The replies centered on exercise and fish oil and sleep.

I thought that calorie restriction was also worth mentioning based on that article. I have also read that alternate-day fasting/ad libitum has similar effects. They call it intermittent fasting (IF)

I realised after I started this thread, that the effects of IF on mental function in humans have not been studied (at least I didn't find any) although it has been linked to biological markers of healthy brain function like increased BDNF secretion and insulin sensitivity.

The only study I found on cognition and diet that seemed pertinent was done on Ramadan fasters - they were slower and less attentive than non-fasters.
? | 3 years ago Reply
great point, post more.

i actually tried that for a few weeks (first year of med school)... trying to double caloric intake (or so) every other day. it was not easy and i lost weight rapidly; unsustainable for me.

apparently IF reduces nmda type 2b receptor downregulation and/or enhances its expression, a huge cognitive player

either way, papers now suggest that the majority of the benefit of caloric restriction has to do with protein restriction, more specifically methionine restriction, which may account for most of the ROS reduction formerly attributed to caloric restriction (which is probably not feasible for most people).

whether methionine restriction imparts cognitive gains remains unexplored as far as i know... time'll tell.

im still unsure how to even eat a met-R diet.

Rejuvenation Res. 2009 Dec;12(6):421-34.
Forty percent methionine restriction decreases mitochondrial oxygen radical production and leak at complex I during forward electron flow and lowers oxidative damage to proteins and mitochondrial DNA in rat kidney and brain mitochondria.

Caro P, Gomez J, Sanchez I, Naudi A, Ayala V, López-Torres M, Pamplona R, Barja G.

Department of Animal Physiology II, Complutense University of Madrid, Madrid, Spain.

Eighty percent dietary methionine restriction (MetR) in rodents (without calorie restriction), like dietary restriction (DR), increases maximum longevity and strongly decreases mitochondrial reactive oxygen species (ROS) production and oxidative stress. Eighty percent MetR also lowers the degree of membrane fatty acid unsaturation in rat liver. Mitochondrial ROS generation and the degree of fatty acid unsaturation are the only two known factors linking oxidative stress with longevity in vertebrates. However, it is unknown whether 40% MetR, the relevant methionine restriction degree to clarify the mechanisms of action of standard (40%) DR can reproduce these effects in mitochondria from vital tissues of strong relevance for aging. Here we study the effect of 40% MetR on ROS production and oxidative stress in rat brain and kidney mitochondria. Male Wistar rats were fed during 7 weeks semipurified diets differing only in their methionine content: control or 40% MetR diets. It was found that 40% MetR decreases mitochondrial ROS production and percent free radical leak (by 62-71%) at complex I during forward (but not during reverse) electron flow in both brain and kidney mitochondria, increases the oxidative phosphorylation capacity of brain mitochondria, lowers oxidative damage to kidney mitochondrial DNA, and decreases specific markers of mitochondrial protein oxidation, lipoxidation, and glycoxidation in both tissues. Forty percent MetR also decreased the amount of respiratory complexes I, III, and IV and apoptosis-inducing factor (AIF) in brain mitochondria and complex IV in kidney mitochondria, without changing the degree of mitochondrial membrane fatty acid unsaturation. Forty percent MetR, differing from 80% MetR, did not inhibit the increase in rat body weight. These changes are very similar to the ones previously found during dietary and protein restriction in rats. We conclude that methionine is the only dietary factor responsible for the decrease in mitochondrial ROS production and oxidative stress, and likely for part of the longevity extension effect, occurring in DR.

J Neurosci. 2007 Sep 19;27(38):10185-95.
Caloric restriction increases learning consolidation and facilitates synaptic plasticity through mechanisms dependent on NR2B subunits of the NMDA receptor.

Fontán-Lozano A, Sáez-Cassanelli JL, Inda MC, de los Santos-Arteaga M, Sierra-Domínguez SA, López-Lluch G, Delgado-García JM, Carrión AM.

División de Neurociencias, Universidad Pablo de Olavide de Sevilla, 41013 Sevilla, Spain.

One of the main focal points of aging research is the search for treatments that will prevent or ameliorate the learning and memory deficiencies associated with aging. Here we have examined the effects of maintaining mature mice on a long-term intermittent fasting diet (L-IFD). We found that L-IFD enhances learning and consolidation processes. We also assessed the long-term changes in synaptic efficiency in these animals. L-IFD mice showed an increase in low-theta-band oscillations, paired-pulse facilitation, and facilitation of long-term synaptic plasticity in the hippocampus with respect to mice fed ad libitum. In addition, we found an increase in the expression of the NMDA receptor subunit NR2B in some brain areas of L-IFD mice. Specific antagonism of this subunit in the hippocampus reversed the beneficial effects of L-IFD. These data provide a molecular and cellular mechanism by which L-IFD may enhance cognition, ameliorating some aging-associated cognitive deficits.
medicalstudent | 3 years ago Reply
I wandered into this place about 14 months ago, around the same time I had stopped eating meat... Vegetarian/Vegan = Calorie restriction. Looking at before and after comparisons: substantial speed/accuracy +++ across the board (-no practice effects). Auditory reaction time has more than halved, ect.

Other factors, of course... I've matured (19->20), and throw some (albeit erratic) WM training in there.
vast | 3 years ago Reply
^ oops... that's me. :)
cyberiad | 3 years ago Reply
Well... well...
That sure makes sense.
? | 3 years ago Reply
hi
vast2 | 3 years ago Reply
o hi
BrainMaster2 | 3 years ago Reply
well well it is vast.
BrainMaster2 | 3 years ago Reply
According to www.nutriondata.com and the wikipedia entry on "methione" both rice and beans are relatively low in methione.
So it looks like you could do a low methione diet, getting your protein from rice and beans, and avoiding certain nuts and seeds and vegetables.
I am two weeks into IF. To avoid feeling weak and grouchy, I've had to cut back on exercising (no workouts on fast days) and eat about 35 % of my normal caloric intake (about 1,000 calories) on the fasting day.
I can't say I've noticed an improvement in my cognition. On fast days I'm slower in the afternoons and on feast days I'm groggy from overeating. These may be insurmountable obstacles to transforming an IF diet into a nootropic lifestyle - what good is it to soak your brain in BDNF and grow new NMDA receptors if you can't use them because you're always either having hypoglycemic episode or a post-prandial stupor?
godel2 | 3 years ago Reply
You're better off keeping a steady diet. Go for something in the middle, away from the extremes you currently use.

Regularity is the key here.
? | 3 years ago Reply
Brown rice and black beans are a large part of my diet. And I *have* to avoid eating nuts and certain types veggies/beans/fruit or I'll have an allergic reaction...

Interestingly, I was browsing around the library today and I read that exceedingly large proportions of gifted poeple are afflicted with immune disorders. The author gave an example of a select population of precocious children, 55 percent had allergies or other immune disorders. This compared with a rate of about 10 percent in the general population.

He went on to list several other unusual traits: myopia, handedness, uric-acid levels, sleep cycles, hormone levels, speed of information processing

Also noted something about redirection of cholinergic energies and how this could increase the likelihood of analytical deficits int he olfactory-analysis system?
vast | 3 years ago Reply
(in my case the allergies have become practically non-existent, tho)

and speaking of olfactory-analysis deficits... i took piracetam (-ACh activity?) for a short while a year ago: i had noticed some tangible weakening my sense of taste and smell... curious
vast | 3 years ago Reply
It fits with my experience, at least

My cleverest friends seem to have pretty bad allergies (lactose intolerance as well)
vast | 3 years ago Reply
Yeah, I feel better after trashing milk. I can't believe I went with it for so long. Yuck.
? | 3 years ago Reply
ha ha ha... yeah, along with how long it takes to get down that food, stupors are always the problem
medicalstudent | 3 years ago Reply

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